Brothers Christopher and Peter Hitchens debate the Iraq War and religion at an event organized by the Hauenstein Center for Presidential Studies with the support of the Center for Inquiry and the Interfaith Dialogue Association.
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Brothers Christopher and Peter Hitchens debate the Iraq War and religion at an event organized by the Hauenstein Center for Presidential Studies with the support of the Center for Inquiry and the Interfaith Dialogue Association.
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i do , sure others arguments have been stronger, but his brother needles him more, you see it in his face, its vice-versa too must be a sibling thing
really?, seriously?… peters argument is quite weak, after watching hitchens take on other theists
peter hitchens seems so much more mature and is the first person ive seen that seems to get to his brother, theres irritation etched on his face .
What i find fascinating is whats really behind all of this, its almost like sibling rivalry thats driven them in both their careers.spolied public schoolboys!
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I do see what you are saying about ‘religion’ (as a whole, including many, if I may say, very odd beleif systems).
I’m vexed by the fact that a Christian (Peter Hithchens) is having to deal with claims against entire other beleif systems as his authority is diminished by this. He’s not claiming them. Doesn’t make sense, does it?
AR333, you seem educated, not many at all in the world are born into that position with that opportunity and live to see its fulfillment.
Peace.
AR333,
From what I can see, not many of us would make it very far in any career field or university based on our youtube comments.
What is one comment to tell my life? (factors: drunk, mad, enthusiastic, proud, angry, etc)
To say Christianity is backwards is to say that your current understanding of reality is correct in fullness (or true, or the ultimate knowledge to be had, to be unsurpassable).
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@thelionsshare100
You try too hard; you assert ‘we all come from the lord with instilled morality’ as if it were an actual claim of knowledge. That doesn’t work, I assume you either have not been through much education or couldn’t have gotten through it writing like THAT.
As for your comment about broadening the debate, you miss the point; the point is not about if Christianity is in some metaphysical sense true, the point is the principles or religion are backward
I’m going to swing your own post (adressed to me) against what Hitchens is claiming.
So man has done evil things and we need true morality. All throughout history and the world -even now (and ‘now’ being of the most relevance).
What hope do you have that this will end/change?
What makes you think/know it ever will end/change?
Do you put faith in this solution?
What savior can step in and reconcile man towards one another in love while bearing the truth until the point of death?
“You’re a moron”
???????……
“There are a myriad of? different moral standards throughout the world.”
Yes, there are. They have also been established by man alone.
“The list is perpetual.”
The list is unecessary, man has done so much wrong, its unfathomable.
Humperdink,
“Did the Assyrians have the same “natural” morality as you?”
Yes.
“Did your “lord” instill in you the same morality that he gave to the? tribes of Tonga, who to this day practice cannibalism?”
Yes, just like them, many go against what is right and natural.
“What about the people that came before your fake “lord?” ”
According to my Lord, no one came before Him -we came from Him.
“Have an independent thought for a change.”
My independent thoughts lead me to Christ.
@thelionsshare100 You’re a moron. There are a myriad of different moral standards throughout the world. Did your “lord” instill in you the same morality that he gave to the tribes of Tonga, who to this day practice cannibalism? Were you and the members of the Khmer Rouge instilled with the same morality? What about the people that came before your fake “lord?” Did the Assyrians have the same “natural” morality as you? The list is perpetual. Have an independent thought for a change.
Not really. He’s just making the point all the Judaic religions (all religion, really, but those in particular) are bunk. They’re all based on control, fear, and subjugation. The bible is its own worse witness.
@HowdyNrealLife if you really believed that hell existed where I would be heading and you really loved me as yourself as Jesus preached, you would be doing everything in your power to “argue” with me to change my mind. I’m sorry my “eternal destiny” isn’t worth your time of day
It’s a cop-out. If you’re truly interested in a debate, you would take the 2 minutes out of your day to post a message on Youtube.
Christopher question to everyone at 7:00 or so, has already been refuted (google it).
We all come from the Lord and have been instilled with morality. Its not a question to ask if we can make different choices.
Does anyone notice how Christopher continues to group Christ with all the religions of the world when in a bind? He’s debating Peter Hitchens, a born again Christian. Not a Muslim or a Jew, so why continue to broaden the terms at will? For the sake of his mock-argument.
“justify the story of Job for me.”
where do you get this sense of justice?
Lightning hit pond water is not acceptible.
Do you know how many people look to the book of Job for comfort and understanding? One person who went through temporary pain has relieved and consoled countless, would you do the same for those people?
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV
what? Simply obeying God. I assume that you’re going to comment me back and try and justify the meaning of suffering in the book of Job, or how God must be “evil” for allowing such things, and that is okay — that is your opinion.
And no, please don’t get the impression that I am refusing to debate, because I won’t be able to “answer the questions.” I’m doing it because I don’t want to argue.
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV
seed shall possess the gate of his enemies, (verse 18), And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
He ended up getting blessed.
Now, we could get into a “moral” discussion about the book of Job, but like I said, I’m not going to debate because it’s pointless (due to the fact that I assume you won’t change your mind in the first place) — but all I will say is that God ended up blessing Job twice as much for doing
@SaturdaySoundOffsTV
Well, I would get into a huge debate about this, because people like to attack it, but I won’t. You can see your interpretation and roll with it all you want; I know my God and I know what He’s done for me. That being said, during the offering of Isaac, afterwards, what did God do? Bless him, read verse 22:17, “That in blessing I will bless thee, and in the multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy
@HowdyNrealLife The very fact that God put Abraham and Isaac through that mental trauma is the whole point of the immorality of the story. God is putting Abraham through tremendous stress and at the end tells him “I’m just yanking your chain”. Okay, now that that’s over, try to justify the story of Job for me.
i admire peter for agreeing to the debate because he’s clearly not enjoying it but is compelled to stand up for his beleifs despite Christoper’s confidence & success.
@HowdyNrealLife
What about brother Cornel West, damn sweet! And they’re friends too so it could happen. BTW my money’d be on Dr. West as he’s an even more rousing speaker than Hitch.
You can see by the rather poor attempt at a point and by the imbued sense of inferiority that Peter displays as he sits down that he is displeased at a public showing of his lesser intellect than that of his brother. While both are intelligent, Christopher is clearly the superior intellect. It is always saddening to see an intellectual allow themselves to be convinced of the great lie.
Of all the people I’ve seen christopher debate on this topic, Peter by far does the best. Probably because he’s Christopher’s brother is just as smart. I also must say that this is not Christopher’s best performance. Not even close to his performance at the 2009 Christian book expo.
3.20 sheep like americans. thats so funny.
I would like to see Christopher Hitchens debate against Ravi Zacharias. That’d be so freaking sweet, haha.
@wormdrink414
Sorry worm, I did not mean to post that comment as a reply. I thought I clicked on “Post a Text Comment” instead of reply, lol. So just ignore it, lol.