the atheist experience # 648 [part 02 of 09] – interview with aronra visit www.atheist-experience.com http mp3 audio file of this episode: www.atheist-experience.com
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the atheist experience # 648 [part 02 of 09] – interview with aronra visit www.atheist-experience.com http mp3 audio file of this episode: www.atheist-experience.com
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@BillKiernan are you high? Buddhism is atheist….
real Buddhism is the following of Siddhartha Gautama’s four truths and the eightfold path…
nowhere is there any sort of deity worship. In fact there was no supernatural deity element until it expanded to greco-roman cultures and subsequently asian cultures, where their cultural history of worshipping deities blended the two philosophical approaches together.
Go learn what you are actually speaking about before you speak
buddhist atheist right here. im glad aronra gets it.
@AlTheAtheist Buddhism is the belief that there can or cannot be a god. Not straight up that there is not a God.
u mean ‘bread’
@RaLLenheimer What is this invention that you call slice bred?
I want to s3x0r AronRa… a man with calm, strong, rational, freethinking convictions is too much to resist.
The Buddha clearly states that “reliance and belief” in creation by a supreme being leads to lack of effort and inaction.
-That is not to say that Buddhism is not deistic, as there are in fact many gods in buddhism, just not an absolute creator god.
Aron is on top of his shit!
@AlTheAtheist
i just demonstrated that the Buddha himself accepted that gods from the hindu pantheon exist, what self respecting atheist believes in tree spirits, devas in various realms, etc?
A-theism = without a god
Buddhism = religion without a god
Buddhism = atheistic religion.
” but all in all I’m coming from the best legitimate source which comes from Siddharta Gautama himself who didn’t think achieving nirvana, enlightenment or whatever did not require belief in diety’s.” no problem with the ball busting. yes it’s true liberation doesn’t depend on those deities, but he accepted them and spoke about them at length, the realms they live in, how to get there, etc. so i can’t accept the “atheist” label for buddhism. what atheist believes in Brahma?
i guess if you only count “creator god.” but can we really count a religion that accepts deities from the hindu pantheon as existing as “atheist?”
yes, that is definitely true.
the “average buddhist” in the u.s is a barnes and noble buddhist. look at the beliefs of all buddhsits worldwide and you’ll? find it is not atheistic in practice or theory
my friend, i lived at a meditation center for 5 years, and have a degree from the university of florida in religious studies with a focus on buddhism. buddhism? is not atheistic, aside from some more modern interpretations of zen and new age buddhism. do you have anything else for me besides baseless claims that it’s atheistic?
And then what makes it alot more ambiguous are all the sects in Taiwan, Sri Lanka, India, China ect who think one thing or the other – it’s really a mess, but all in all I’m coming from the best legitimate source which comes from Siddharta Gautama himself who didn’t think achieving nirvana, enlightenment or whatever did not require belief in diety’s.
Sorry to bust ya balls on that one.
Like I said, the atheistic part in buddhism is nuanced. But the fact that there’s no known ‘creator god’ in the religion makes it safe to say it’s a godless religion.
There’s no “creator god” in buddhism.
Again you’re taking the nuances in the ancient texts too literally. Go talk to a monk, sometime.
“On one occasion the Blessed One was living in the Maha-vana (great wood) near the city of Kapilavatthu in the province of the Sakyans together with a great retinue of monks, all of them arahants, and five hundred in number. Devas (gods) from ten thousand world-systems frequently assembled for the purpose of seeing the Blessed One and the bhikkhu-sangha (ordained monks).”-maha samaya sutta, pali canon. i can do this all day long.
nope. “”It is human existence, bhikkhus, that is reckoned by the devas to be a good bourn. When a human being acquires faith in the Dhamma-Vinaya taught by the Tathagata, this is reckoned by the devas to be a gain that is good to gain. When faith is steadfast in him, firmly rooted, established and strong, not to be destroyed by any recluse or brahman or deva or Mara or brahma or by anyone else in the world, this is reckoned by the devas to be firmly established.” -diga nikaya, pali canon.
I think you’re taking all the nuances too literally. If you ask the average buddhist if they believe in any gods, you’ll find that they don’t.
yes, and being that in all buddhist scripture Buddha talks with gods from the hindu pantheon and talks about them /= atheist religon
Soo… religion + lack of belief in gods = atheist religion.
Buddhism is a religion that lacks the belief in any gods.